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 The following has been submitted to the House of Lords’s public-rteach-out

Abolishing the Death Penalty

Lord HyltonI have been opposed to executions ever since I became involved with cases of miscarriage of justice, many years ago.  The struggle against capital punishment goes on across the world, though rather slowly.

Some of you may have heard BBC 5 Live’s programme on 8 August.  This had an interview with Kris Maharaj and his wife, Marita.  He has been on death row in USA for 30 years.  His barrister claims that he is innocent.

The case seems to highlight the inefficiency and cruelty of some judicial systems.  In Saudi Arabia, fourteen men are facing death.  They include two juveniles and a disabled man.

Please work to get capital punishment abolished, wherever humane imprisonment is possible.



11 comments for “Abolishing the Death Penalty”

  1. 09/08/2017 at 11:45 am

    I agree with you on the death penalty. However, I believe Kris Maharaj’s sentence was commuted to life imprisonment some years ago. I do think whole life sentences should be an option, although not in the unsanitary conditions Mr Maharaj is said to have suffered.

  2. 10/08/2017 at 10:14 am

    We first and foremost need to have at least one immediate-&-longestterm Alternative to “killing-off”.

    We would not include the two extremes of “unsanitary conditions” (thank you, Jonathan)
    nor “mollycoddling” (three good meals a day, plenty of safe-solitude and supervised ‘socialising’…)

    [nor of course “bribery-corrupt ‘privileges’ – between warder and imprisoned”].
    I am a ‘voluntary unpaid champion’
    for “Self-&-Civilisation Sustain-worthy-ing” –
    promoting “population de-urbanisation” into peacefully-revolutionarily-new
    “Leasehold-only Sustain-worthy-ing-ly Lifeplace Cooperative Kitchen-and Market Gardening Estates”
    (please don’t laugh just yet –
    there’s plenty of cool background to this reasoning via –

    within which peaceful-revolution criminals too could be
    [e.g. barbed wire surrounding their caravans-sub-estate or ‘sub-corner’ of a larger ‘new-normal’ Sustain-worthy-ing Estate “]
    upon perhaps slightly less “comfortable” frugalities and productivities bases
    than the “new-normal” sustain-worthy-ing ‘new-mainstream’ tenants in the Main Estates…

    {let me “give way” here ?)

  3. maude elwes
    11/08/2017 at 3:57 pm

    Lord Hylton,

    The death penalty is not simply used to convict and punish those guilty of a crime. It is used as a political ploy to rid a country of its opposition. Or, as a pay back for past triumphs. As in George Bush senior using the British, through the Blair betrayal, in order to see Saddam Hussain hang. Saddam had ridiculed Bush senior over the Kuwait event. Bush had been the head of the CIA when Hussain was set up by the US to lead Iraq. So, his naughty boy Kuwait escapade had to be seen to be punished severely, in order to teach others a lesson. The end result, of course, was the Iraqi people made to eat it along with him.

    I’m against the death penalty in any country and of course would add my name to any petition backing abolition. However, experience has taught me, human kind across the planet, evolves differently, some faster than others. Some not in tune with all or any. Therefore, to impose the wishes of one culture on another, within there own sphere, is neither workable or desirable. As, when you do believe you are right and therefore all must follow your lead, it inevitably ends with you taking the role of ‘parent.’ And as such, become responsible, in a paternal way, for those you have destabilised by interference.

    The outcome we see daily on our news and in our homeland. It will not be long before the death penalty will be once again called for as part of British law. As we will have now imported the base thinking of that which we wanted to rid the planet of. Laws of the world are now the expectation of those we call British.

    There are consequences and they are dire, when a seeing eye of righteousness decides others must follow their lead.

    • 14/08/2017 at 12:37 pm

      from my chosen “civilisation-sustainworthying reform” base which sees the monopolisticly dominant Rule of Law, planet-wide, to be
      “militantly over-destructive &-under-constructive adversarism”:
      and I now attempt some individual ‘scrutiny’ steps:-

      (1) That (“) the death-penalty

      [jsdm seeks to add detail: but especially the cloak and dagger “covert elimination” also allowing “honour killing” and various “permanent maimings and disablements
      e.g. “female-circumcision”]

      is a ‘ploy’ to get rid of opposition to a somewhat-flawed and vulnerable top-down “rule-of-law”(“).

      yet this needs to be constitutionally as well as legislatively and civil-administratively fine-tooth-comb scrutinised and reformed for both today and the long-term ‘tomorrow’.

      (there are further points, but let me give way here –
      for the sake of “reading, learning, inwardly-digesting, discussing, and “responding”)

  4. 15/08/2017 at 11:29 pm

    Also consider the hugely denied “Human Civilisational Shadow” across the whole of this Earth- –
    deeply and more grimly and bulgingly ‘growing’, including beneath our very own feet :-

    (i) Long before the Saddam Hussein disaster, the USA had been “grabbing” other countries’ oil, strategic-commodities, and food-producing acreages,

    and actually “competitively-economicly” using them to grossly pollute it’s own airspaces, waters, lands – and People.

    e.g. Here in short was Saddam Hussein “doing the wrong thing –and for the wrong ostensible reason”-
    yet the USA did need to be “reined-back” – and still does – for its “Americans first” and worldwide “economic, political, and military “colonialism” and “ad baculum extraction contractualities””.

    Likewise USA versus China, and versus other Countries, has seen the USA ‘blindly’
    ‘ doing the wrong thing –
    doing it for the wrong reason’.

    (ii) Britain likewise, as in its colonial-dominance days, and as is still,
    “doing wrong things for wrong reasons”
    [e.g. selling huge arms and weapons-of-human-destruction to Saudi Arabia
    to literally “genocide” Yemenis inside Yemen.).
    These are reliable reported international media facts, including being reported by our very own honest-to-God BBC
    – and they are about ‘evil’ conduct – even ‘bad’ conduct by our own Establishment, Legislature, and Business powers –
    who at the same time ‘skulk’ behind “parliamentary-privileges”, “not-my-pay-level-culpability”,”personal-protections”, and “I was only obeying orders”.

    And all, USA and UK alike, claim to be patrioticly-protecting their own Country’s inviolable needs, democracy, and accustomed-lifestyles.

    Their “patriotic selves” are protected by immunity clauses in legislation and in their contracts, exonerating them from “wrongdoing”
    and immunising them from the many Death-Penalty-like judgements and punishments that should be brought,
    against their perpetrating-classes
    and ”at the top” against their own personal-selves.

  5. Senex
    18/08/2017 at 11:54 am

    Perhaps you were unaware that the Conservative Member for Newbury caused the Speaker to raise an eyebrow when as part of the Loyal Address he said “…It was in Staines that Sir Thomas More, one of your less fortunate predecessors, Mr Speaker, was tried, before his execution on Tower Hill—may you avert that fate…”

    Are you saying that in the event of treason the death sentence should be commuted to life imprisonment? With the mutually exclusive separation of both houses now destroyed by precedent would you ask the same for the Lord Speaker?

    The Rt. Hon. Member for Carshalton and Wallington was having none of this, on another day he would rise to his feet without a necktie. Challenged by other members Mr Speaker would advise that no member should feel obliged to wear a necktie so long as they were smartly dressed.

    Whilst history records Sir Thomas More there is no mention of his executioner: he probably came from a family business that ran a knacker yard. Here worn out run down animals often diseased and unfit for human consumption would be killed by a knacker. The only thing left of value being the animals hide.

    In the modern era the most celebrated executioner was Johann Reichart. Today the colours of the German flag hide a history of violence and revolution in the 19th century and there were many executions so many that they adopted and refined the guillotine. Reichart would go on to further refine it. He showed great respect to his guests by dressing smartly in a black suit with tails a white shirt with necktie white gloves and a top hat.

    Ref: The Loyal Address: Thursday June 22, 2017
    History of the Guillotine: Rt. Hon. John Wilson Croker (1853)

    • 22/08/2017 at 2:43 am

      It’s ‘nothing’, Senex ; and I havn’t yet read all that you say –

      but in it is ‘argued’ that
      just one word alone
      can sabotage a whole civilisation’s future –

      and ‘ugently’ that word in your comment would be
      (not ‘could’ be) –

      Our entire human-race Civilisation is in a “complicit” criminal state of “treason” – against this Earth’s Lifesupports –


      this Human Race’s miniscule number of leaders
      who have long been self-locking-into a state of “treason”
      and of “insidious mass genociding”
      against billions of honest-to-God working and sustainworthily-living
      and trusting
      ‘kindred’ human-beings.-

      So it is that miniscule of “human-race-leaders” who are already our Main-Human-Race-on-Earth’s Executioners-In-Progress –

      And we can ‘bet’ on their ‘banking’
      that they will be the “thriving-survivors” –

      -not even having to “answer” for their crimes.

  6. LordBlagger
    21/08/2017 at 12:02 pm

    Bercow is a joke.

    I warned him in January before the Westminster Bridge attack, in writing that it was not being policed.

    You can’t have 300 Romanian mafia operate there and have it being policed against terrorism. The two are contradictory.

    End result – lots of people killed.

    Mods – Have no doubt that I have the email chain sent to Bercow’s account.

    • 23/08/2017 at 10:04 am
      Your comment is awaiting moderation.The truths that we the “ordinary people” find,
      and then Earth-citizenlike-dutifully submit, to such e-sites as this Lords of the Blog for instance –

      they get there, but then are “blocked” from ever entering into our “Democracy” –

      Our democracy ?
      Government (of the people, for the people, by the people) requires 24/7 governance-watchfulness and response-ability from every ‘subject’ or from their advocate.

      MPs including The Lords and the LocalGovernment councillors and civil-servants,-are supposed and believed to be ‘my’ and our advocates. The Constitution is not thus “democratic” but is set unreachably deep “in concrete” “oligarchical-minority-autocraticly” one-way repressively “downwards”

      For one governance-scrutinisable email-train –
      (Blagger’s democratic-response-ability via the central “conduit” Speaker Bercow in the House of Commons) –
      Indeed, for any minority or ‘lone-person’ submission in to be even recognised as ‘existing’
      requires a “democratic” 100,000 citizens’ signatures on a formal Petition ,
      Before it can be even “looked at” by government and the Parliaments.

      Incidentally, what might be the “democratic” –
      even “human-developmental” value
      of the three voluntary not-for-profit, power nor prestige e-sites ; ; uk ?
      They too all endeavour to make-publicly-known
      genuine research and real-life-founded advances in Life- Knowledge- & – Lifeplace*-Know How
      that are being “skipped” and even “repressed” by the dominant authorities, including by universities and their catalogues.
      * the Workplace takes only 40 hours per week usually with only one skill being pre-requisite;
      Whereas the Lifeplace occupies 128 hours per week, and requires a ranging and often “rag-tag” bundle of much-more-vulnerable “enablements” and “rights – evidently not rooted in actual Needs”.