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Abolishing the Death Penalty
by Lord Hylton • • 8 Comments
I have been opposed to executions ever since I became involved with cases of miscarriage of justice, many years ago. The struggle against capital punishment goes on across the world, though rather slowly.
Some of you may have heard BBC 5 Live’s programme on 8 August. This had an interview with Kris Maharaj and his wife, Marita. He has been on death row in USA for 30 years. His barrister claims that he is innocent.
The case seems to highlight the inefficiency and cruelty of some judicial systems. In Saudi Arabia, fourteen men are facing death. They include two juveniles and a disabled man.
Please work to get capital punishment abolished, wherever humane imprisonment is possible.
I agree with you on the death penalty. However, I believe Kris Maharaj’s sentence was commuted to life imprisonment some years ago. I do think whole life sentences should be an option, although not in the unsanitary conditions Mr Maharaj is said to have suffered.
We first and foremost need to have at least one immediate-&-longestterm Alternative to “killing-off”.
We would not include the two extremes of “unsanitary conditions” (thank you, Jonathan)
nor “mollycoddling” (three good meals a day, plenty of safe-solitude and supervised ‘socialising’…)
[nor of course “bribery-corrupt ‘privileges’ – between warder and imprisoned”].
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I am a ‘voluntary unpaid champion’
for “Self-&-Civilisation Sustain-worthy-ing” –
promoting “population de-urbanisation” into peacefully-revolutionarily-new
“Leasehold-only Sustain-worthy-ing-ly Lifeplace Cooperative Kitchen-and Market Gardening Estates”
(please don’t laugh just yet –
there’s plenty of cool background to this reasoning via http://lifefresh.net) –
within which peaceful-revolution criminals too could be
Held
[e.g. barbed wire surrounding their caravans-sub-estate or ‘sub-corner’ of a larger ‘new-normal’ Sustain-worthy-ing Estate “]
upon perhaps slightly less “comfortable” frugalities and productivities bases
than the “new-normal” sustain-worthy-ing ‘new-mainstream’ tenants in the Main Estates…
{let me “give way” here ?)
Lord Hylton,
The death penalty is not simply used to convict and punish those guilty of a crime. It is used as a political ploy to rid a country of its opposition. Or, as a pay back for past triumphs. As in George Bush senior using the British, through the Blair betrayal, in order to see Saddam Hussain hang. Saddam had ridiculed Bush senior over the Kuwait event. Bush had been the head of the CIA when Hussain was set up by the US to lead Iraq. So, his naughty boy Kuwait escapade had to be seen to be punished severely, in order to teach others a lesson. The end result, of course, was the Iraqi people made to eat it along with him.
I’m against the death penalty in any country and of course would add my name to any petition backing abolition. However, experience has taught me, human kind across the planet, evolves differently, some faster than others. Some not in tune with all or any. Therefore, to impose the wishes of one culture on another, within there own sphere, is neither workable or desirable. As, when you do believe you are right and therefore all must follow your lead, it inevitably ends with you taking the role of ‘parent.’ And as such, become responsible, in a paternal way, for those you have destabilised by interference.
The outcome we see daily on our news and in our homeland. It will not be long before the death penalty will be once again called for as part of British law. As we will have now imported the base thinking of that which we wanted to rid the planet of. Laws of the world are now the expectation of those we call British.
There are consequences and they are dire, when a seeing eye of righteousness decides others must follow their lead.
Points,
from my chosen “civilisation-sustainworthying reform” base which sees the monopolisticly dominant Rule of Law, planet-wide, to be
“militantly over-destructive &-under-constructive adversarism”:
and I now attempt some individual ‘scrutiny’ steps:-
(1) That (“) the death-penalty
[jsdm seeks to add detail: but especially the cloak and dagger “covert elimination” also allowing “honour killing” and various “permanent maimings and disablements
e.g. “female-circumcision”]
is a ‘ploy’ to get rid of opposition to a somewhat-flawed and vulnerable top-down “rule-of-law”(“).
Agreed;
yet this needs to be constitutionally as well as legislatively and civil-administratively fine-tooth-comb scrutinised and reformed for both today and the long-term ‘tomorrow’.
(there are further points, but let me give way here –
for the sake of “reading, learning, inwardly-digesting, discussing, and “responding”)
Also consider the hugely denied “Human Civilisational Shadow” across the whole of this Earth- –
deeply and more grimly and bulgingly ‘growing’, including beneath our very own feet :-
(i) Long before the Saddam Hussein disaster, the USA had been “grabbing” other countries’ oil, strategic-commodities, and food-producing acreages,
and actually “competitively-economicly” using them to grossly pollute it’s own airspaces, waters, lands – and People.
e.g. Here in short was Saddam Hussein “doing the wrong thing –and for the wrong ostensible reason”-
yet the USA did need to be “reined-back” – and still does – for its “Americans first” and worldwide “economic, political, and military “colonialism” and “ad baculum extraction contractualities””.
Likewise USA versus China, and versus other Countries, has seen the USA ‘blindly’
‘ doing the wrong thing –
and
doing it for the wrong reason’.
(ii) Britain likewise, as in its colonial-dominance days, and as is still,
“doing wrong things for wrong reasons”
[e.g. selling huge arms and weapons-of-human-destruction to Saudi Arabia
to literally “genocide” Yemenis inside Yemen.).
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These are reliable reported international media facts, including being reported by our very own honest-to-God BBC
– and they are about ‘evil’ conduct – even ‘bad’ conduct by our own Establishment, Legislature, and Business powers –
who at the same time ‘skulk’ behind “parliamentary-privileges”, “not-my-pay-level-culpability”,”personal-protections”, and “I was only obeying orders”.
And all, USA and UK alike, claim to be patrioticly-protecting their own Country’s inviolable needs, democracy, and accustomed-lifestyles.
Their “patriotic selves” are protected by immunity clauses in legislation and in their contracts, exonerating them from “wrongdoing”
and immunising them from the many Death-Penalty-like judgements and punishments that should be brought,
against their perpetrating-classes
and ”at the top” against their own personal-selves.
Perhaps you were unaware that the Conservative Member for Newbury caused the Speaker to raise an eyebrow when as part of the Loyal Address he said “…It was in Staines that Sir Thomas More, one of your less fortunate predecessors, Mr Speaker, was tried, before his execution on Tower Hill—may you avert that fate…”
Are you saying that in the event of treason the death sentence should be commuted to life imprisonment? With the mutually exclusive separation of both houses now destroyed by precedent would you ask the same for the Lord Speaker?
The Rt. Hon. Member for Carshalton and Wallington was having none of this, on another day he would rise to his feet without a necktie. Challenged by other members Mr Speaker would advise that no member should feel obliged to wear a necktie so long as they were smartly dressed.
Whilst history records Sir Thomas More there is no mention of his executioner: he probably came from a family business that ran a knacker yard. Here worn out run down animals often diseased and unfit for human consumption would be killed by a knacker. The only thing left of value being the animals hide.
In the modern era the most celebrated executioner was Johann Reichart. Today the colours of the German flag hide a history of violence and revolution in the 19th century and there were many executions so many that they adopted and refined the guillotine. Reichart would go on to further refine it. He showed great respect to his guests by dressing smartly in a black suit with tails a white shirt with necktie white gloves and a top hat.
Ref: The Loyal Address: Thursday June 22, 2017
https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2017-06-21/debates/16CAF0D8-37D0-41D6-AE61-264FD03429CB/DebateOnTheAddress
History of the Guillotine: Rt. Hon. John Wilson Croker (1853)
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/History_of_the_Guillotine
but in http://lifefresh.net it is ‘argued’ that
just one word alone
can sabotage a whole civilisation’s future –
and ‘ugently’ that word in your comment would be
(not ‘could’ be) –
“treason”.
Our entire human-race Civilisation is in a “complicit” criminal state of “treason” – against this Earth’s Lifesupports –
“under”
this Human Race’s miniscule number of leaders
who have long been self-locking-into a state of “treason”
and of “insidious mass genociding”
against billions of honest-to-God working and sustainworthily-living
and trusting
‘kindred’ human-beings.-
So it is that miniscule of “human-race-leaders” who are already our Main-Human-Race-on-Earth’s Executioners-In-Progress –
And we can ‘bet’ on their ‘banking’
that they will be the “thriving-survivors” –
-not even having to “answer” for their crimes
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