World English Language and “Values”


The following has been submitted to the UK Westminster House of Lords’s “two-way participatorily democratic reach-out to the public”

Lord Hylton’s “Teaching English to Refugees”
[the full thread appears below the  immediately-following current submission (2140 St 17 02 18)
in reply to one “maude elwes” – (a respected regular commenter and contributor, may we say)

—- Reply to maude elwes, by JSD Miles :-  ——–

We English have a Great Human Duty now, our language being the Worldwide-Medium;
and our Minds behind it needing to be clear and honest.

Whilst clear-thinking Historians have long told us that
(“) the world has yet to see a true and functional
“people-sovereign cooperatively participatory democracy” –
“- the best we have is a Three-Party-State oligarchy – (e.g. Tory, Labour, Liberal)
being overarched by a covert micro-elite –
of super-wealthy power-domineering but sustainworthy-governance-incompetent,
selfishly super luxury-living, one-way-top-down-Directors & Auto-Oligarcrats.
—————-
maude elwes – please
“debate” – especially any level of “political” – can never be “democratic” nor even discussive
[“discussion” being the essential facts-&-factors in cooperatively-constructive
and comprehensively groundworked preparation
for Problem-Solving, Conflict Resolving, Decision-Making, and/or Debating ] –

Win-Lose Debating is by definition and process such that there has to be one absolute winning-side
and the other side has to thereupon become the absolute-loser
– such that the real-needs of the loser “cease-to-exist” –

it is the winner who takes all —->

and that is anything BUT “democratic”,
certainly it is not
“All of The Peoples’ Needs-Recognising and Affordably Planning to be Met”.
===============
The other unfortunate fallacy – or ‘fake-information’ – in your overall deliberation
is the attitude towards the “refugee situation” –
wherein the Fact is that whilst this UK “loaned” large amounts of finance to 3rd and 4th world countries,
UK’s banks have been collecting heavy interest payments from those poor-countries –
in an on-going amount 8 or 9 times greater than the annual “foreign-aid” money we “donate” to them –
and in a total cumulative amount so far, far greater than the original capital-amount loaned to them !
—————-
Add to that the other “bottom-line world-account fact”
that UK is second only to the USA [which consumes 900% more than their fair share]
in consuming 500% more than our fair share of the World’s resources and the Earth’s Lifesupports
[European-Countries as a whole consume “only” some 400% more than their fair share].
{see David Attenborough’s hosting of
“How Many People Can Live On Planet Earth”
and Prof Hickel of the London School of Economics 2017 non-fiction report “The Divide” }.
============
Without ourselves first becoming both clear and reasoningly-honest with and in our English language,
we need to all “forget” about criticising – nay “blaming” – “refugees, immigrants, foreigners”,
and to also at least “politely” desist
from blindly and bigotedly requiring them
to assimilate to ‘our values’ and to  ‘Our-English/British Way-of-Life’.
—JSDM—-

 

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  1.  

    maude elwes
    08/02/2018 at 12:02 pm

    Democracy is debate. Debate is a question of alternative views.

    First question is, what is a refugee? Why are they refugees? How did refugees get into the UK?

    What made them decide the UK was the place to seek asylum?
    How did they manage to convey their request for asylum without first speaking the language of this country?
    Why did they not seek asylum in a country closer to home?
    Why are they not staying home or close to home in order to fight for their human rights and the human rights of ‘their’ kin?
    How will their country of origin ever be made safe for its people
    unless those who are born there are willing
    and want to turn it around to a civilisation they aspire to live in?
    Are UK policies hindering the advancement of the developing world
    by taking in those with any semblance of wit?

    Next: Is the UK suffering from severe austerity policies because its citizens tax money was taken to bail out the wealthy of the world,
    when their bets fell foul because of hysterical greed?

    Have the same indigenous British citizens suffered gross loss of life standard resulting in the ensuing mass starvation?
    Which created a need for charity food banks that are going unfunded?
    Are the citizens of the UK seeing more homelessness on a daily basis, a result of dire poverty,
    due, in great part, to the influx of millions who are ‘refugees, asylum seekers, immigrants’
    taken, by force, from the rest of the worlds unproductive dwellers?
    Thereby adding to those already in need of care here?

    Was this policy of open door ‘New World Order’ not put in place directly by this countries politicians
    without first asking its citizens, or, informing those same citizens of this plan at consecutive general elections?

    Why are the politicians, collectively, along with the famously rich, behind this NWO,
    not funding this language teaching of the poor out of their own pockets?

    Lets take that one step further.
    Why are the very wealthy, who are the beneficiaries of cheap labour, imported in this way, along with the corporations and multi nationals,
    not totally funding the cost of this labour entering our country themselves?
    It is adding to the rise of poverty wages at a rate kept hidden from the voter.

    A fund must be set up by them, both corporate and personal, to ship these people to Europe, the UK and so on,
    in order to fully support them out of their own wealth, in all their housing and feeding needs.

    Add their clothing, health, education, all prior to their usefulness to them.
    In other words, Privatisation of Immigration, not subsidised by the tax payer on any level.

    And after they are completely educated, able to speak the language and so on,
    that these corporations will have funded, out of their private pockets,

    put them to work.
    Then along with their ability to pay into the tax requirements of the State,
    set aside an amount of their earnings to pay back said corporations and wealthy,
    out of their own wage.

    In other word, full privatisation of mass movement of people,
    taken on by those who privately benefit from it.

    Those, who decided on the policy must be responsible for the upkeep of all the citizens of the world they ship around.
    The ignorant tax payer of each country has no obligation to feed the slave trade you appear to support by this suggestion.
    They have never been consulted.

    The citizen of this country does, however, have an obligation the feed the starving right here,
    to offer NHS facilities to those who have paid for it, right here, both directly and indirectly,
    whilst they are natives of ‘British’ soil.
    We must educate our children first, house those children and their families,
    as well as see they live in a lawful society based on the values of the ‘British’ people.
    Which evolved throughout our societies expectations, via fight and endurance, not fleeing and abandoning.

    And to add a snippet of what we are being asked to swallow today,
    what about the omission of the voting rights of men?
    Those wonderful decades of fight for women to vote, taken on by our brave ladies?
    In our history, working men did not get the vote until 100 years ago either.
    So, it wasn’t only British ‘women’ who fought for Democracy, as wonderful and sacrificial as they were.
    It was the working class man beside them that made it possible for them to do so.
    They must not be forgotten either.

    We do not live and do not want to live in a third world type of matriarchal society,
    with emasculated males unable to take responsibility
    and care for the women and children they love.

    https://inews.co.uk/news/uk/millions-working-class-men-got-vote-100-years-ago/

    • 17/02/2018 at 9:35 pm
      Your comment is awaiting moderation.
      We English have a Great Human Duty now, our language being the Worldwide-Medium;
      and our Minds behind it needing to be clear and honest.Whilst clear-thinking Historians have long told us that
      (“) the world has yet to see a true and functional
      “people-sovereign cooperativery participatory democracy” –
      “- the best we have is a Three-Party-State oligarchy – (e.g. Tory, Labour, Liberal)
      being overarched by a covert micro-elite –
      of super-wealthy power-domineering but sustainworthy-governance-incompetent,
      selfishly super luxury-living, one-way-top-down-Directors & Auto-Oligarcrats.
      —————-
      maude elwes – please
      “debate” – especially any level of “political” – can never be “democratic” nor even discussive
      [“discussion” being the essential facts-&-factors in cooperatively-constructive
      and comprehensively groundworked preparation
      for Problem-Solving, Conflict Resolving, Decision-Making, and/or Debating ] –
      Win-Lose Debating is by definition and process such that there has to be one absolute winning-side
      and the other side has to thereujpon become the absolute-loser
      – such that the real-needs of the loser “cease-to-exist” – it is the winner who takes all —->and that is anything BUT “democratic”,
      certainlyit is not
      “All of The Peoples’ Needs-Recognising and Affordably Planning to be Met”.
      ===============
      The other unfortunate fallacy – or ‘fake-information’ – in your overall deliberation
      is the attitude towards the “refugee situation” –
      wherein the Fact is that whilst this UK “loaned” large amounts of finance to 3rd and 4th world countries,
      UK’s banks have been collecting heavy interest payments from those poor-countries –
      in an on-going amount 8 or 9 times greater than the annual “foreign-aid” money we “donate” to them –
      and in a total cumulative amount so far, far greater than the original capital-amount loaned to them !
      —————-
      Add to that the other “bottom-line world-account fact”
      that UK is second only to the USA [which consumes 900% more than their fair share]
      in consuming 500% more than our fair share of the World’s resources and the Earth’s Lifesupports
      [European-Countries as a whole consume “only” some 400% more than their fair share].
      {see David Attenborough’s hosting of
      “How Many People Can Live On Planet Earth”
      and Prof Hickel of the London School of Economics 2017 non-fiction report “The Divide” }.
      ============
      Without ourselves first becoming both clear and reasoningly-honest with and in our English language,
      we need to all “forget” about criticising – nay “blaming” – “refugees, immigrants, foreigners”,
      and to also at least “politely” desist
      from blindly and bigotedly requiring them
      to assimilate to ‘our values’ and to  ‘Our-English/British Way-of-Life’.
      —JSDM—-

  2. 08/02/2018 at 4:44 pm

    You have there a huge
    and dangerously militantly-confrontational Issue,
    Lord Hylton,
    not least
    because there is,
    a hugely-complex
    but absolutely-essential Task
    still awaiting
    both Your* and ‘The Participatory World’s”‘
    Method lll ‘No-Lose’ Cooperative Problem Solving
    ‘win-win-win’ Proactive and Constitutional
    Resolution and Cooperative Peace-Building.
    —————————
    1. Clean, Clarify, Simplify, and Bring-Up-To-Date
    all argumentational and educational English vocabulary and terminological-usage.
    1a, Expose the concealed real existential-sense and meaning of English words and terminology –
    1b starting perhaps with the current
    “non-sequitural/red-herring/enthymemal/ conflational abuse”
    of the Human Mind – English or Foreign –
    under such “common and politically-correct” spin-doctorings as

    “myth”**
    when the case is “disinformation”, “rumour”, “smart sales-talk” et nauseam;

    “ethnic-cleansing”/ “in the National Interest”
    when the case is “criminal-persecution, deprivation, and genocide”,

    “friendly-fire” / “collateral-damage”
    when the case is “accidentally or neglectfully ‘shot-in-back-by-own-troops’ “.
    ————–
    * ‘Your’ = responsible and empowered English Language peer colleagues, “academic-bodies” and “stewards-at-large”.
    ** “myth” see also Robert Graves’s “The Greek Myths Vol 1 for a 12-point distinction of what is and what is NOT “myth”
    ————-
    We also need to fully shoulder our Duty
    to “Life, as well as to both God and Man”
    to make and maintain the English Language
    “absolutely fit-for-this Earth’s and All-of-Humankind’s upon it
    Longest-Term-Future-Planning-and-Practical-Know-How Needs”

    Peace. JSDM..

 

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